Comments on: Translating Pope Benedict’s Apostolic Constitution into plain English

By: Financial Coincidences on the Road to Rome | The Wardman Wire

Financial Coincidences on the Road to Rome | The Wardman Wire — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:08:13 +0000

[...] Chaplin, who writes at Clayboy (who has translated the Papal document into English), points out a few facts about the “sacrifice” that – for some reason – [...]

By: The Bishop of Chichester is in Lemon Yellow Bloomers, maybe | The Wardman Wire

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:48:28 +0000

[...] Chaplin, who writes at Clayboy (who has translated the Papal document into English), points out a few facts about the “sacrifice” that – for some reason – [...]

By: Tim Chesterton

Tim Chesterton — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:13:33 +0000

Meanwhile the poor are still poor, the hungry are still hungry, the homeless are still homeless, the lonely are still lonely, and the gospel is still not being shared with those who have not yet accepted it.

By: Seventeen years of women in the priesthood « Ad Fontes

Seventeen years of women in the priesthood « Ad Fontes — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:40:41 +0000

[...] to (re-)ordination, complete obedience to Rome, all liturgical novelties need prior approval (see clayboy’s article on this for the details). If there be a surge of exodus, which I doubt, I’m sure no one will [...]

By: David Keen

David Keen — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:30:14 +0000

I understand all this now. Think I’ll stay put.

By: clayboy

clayboy — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:19:39 +0000

Yes, that’s my understanding of the rules – my reading between the lines suggests that this is primarily to allow for a married Anglican bishop (who therefore can’t be a Roman bishop) to be ordained priest and appointed ordinary. He will (as a former Anglican bishop) be able to apply for the use of “episcopal insignia” i.e. staff, mitre and ring (I think). So you will have a Roman priest, who was an Anglican bishop, running things like a bishop, and dressing as a bishop. Welcome to Wonderland!

By: Rev. Sarah Flynn

Rev. Sarah Flynn — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:00:27 +0000

It isn’t clear to me that those appointed by the Pope to be the Ordinary of these mini dioceses are going to be bishops, or rather archpriests acting as vicars of the Pope.

In the Norms is says that the man chosen will be ordained a priest (again) but nothing about a consecration to the Episcopacy. Apparently, a married priest can be considered for the office, and this Anglican ‘bishop’ or episcopal vicar will meet with the Roman diocesan bishop and the Conference of bishops, but will have the status of a retired bishop. No vote I guess.

Still pretty murky. And if celibacy is required of new converts to this Anglican rite, does this not mean that a major source of priests for Traditional Anglicans will disappear — just as it has for the Roman Church?

By: Grandmère Mimi

Grandmère Mimi — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:01:16 +0000

Is there any word in the Apostolic Constitution about the Vatican’s right to change the rules for the Anglican Romans AFTER they enter into the Roman games? It could happen – and by fiat, without consultation with the Anglican Romans.

By: andrewbourne

andrewbourne — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:06:12 +0000

I think your commentary is about right as a practising Catholic who trained as a Catholic Priest and passed my Canon Law Exams your reading of the document is correct

By: Peter Davies

Peter Davies — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:47:27 +0000

As to 1.1 and 1.2, my concerns are that there may not be parity in that each may not go to the same lengths.