Comments on: No Adam, no Fall? Wrestling with sin and science.

By: clayboy » Morality, grace, freedom: where is God in all that?

clayboy » Morality, grace, freedom: where is God in all that? — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:26:51 +0000

[...] who read the last post in this series will know that I think we must find new ways of re-envisaging the myth of the Fall, that I see it [...]

By: Sin and evolution « Castle of Nutshells

Sin and evolution « Castle of Nutshells — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:38:49 +0000

[...] Paul, Rene Girard, scripture, sin, the fall, transcendence, wrathful god trackback The clayboy, Doug Chaplin, recently wrote a thought-provoking post on original sin and evolution. He entitled it ‘No [...]

By: clayboy

clayboy — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:23:40 +0000

Oh dear – more books for my every increasing reading list

By: Nick Gulliford

Nick Gulliford — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:21:22 +0000

I agree with this, particularly, “I also remain convinced that we need to re-read the Genesis myth both in light of other biblical texts and the best accounts we have of the world in our search for a coherent reframing of our traditional understanding. It seems to me that further development along the lines I’m suggesting here offer us a one helpful way of conceiving Fall, and original sin in the light of what we know about the world.”

I am wondering if you have come across “Whatever happened in the Garden” by Rabbi Howard Cooper [published by the Guild of Pastoral Psychology], and from “A Rabbi’s Bible” by Jonathan Magonet, the chapter on the Garden, “Did they fall, or were they pushed?”

By: Tim Chesterton

Tim Chesterton — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:05:22 +0000

Doug, I’m not sure I go long with your tentative answers, but I certainly feel the force of the question. Thank you.

By: Mike Koke

Mike Koke — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:53:29 +0000

Nice post Doug. I really like the line, “The image of God, revealed in Jesus, is God’s intention for men and women, transcending the selfish gene to live in a self-giving love that mirrors and responds to the love of God.” We definitely need to seek out ways to integrate evolution into our theological worldview.

By: Bob MacDonald

Bob MacDonald — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:10:16 +0000

Your sequel was worth waiting for. In particular I think this sentence is important: “This is what will have happened by the time the story ends.”

I think you point the way to interpreting the question I have left on several blogs recently – why is ‘the likeness’ not repeated in the creation of the human? Because the likeness was yet to come for the temporal and eschatalogical ‘reasons’ you cite. These are metaphorical – these poems (John’s gospel particularly with its 24 hours = 1 day, the day of creation and redemption rolled into one as Hebert notes in his poem – but also I think, the parable of Job who decreates himself but fails.

In the blogosphere many have focused on creation recently. This is a topic worth the effort. Thanks.