Apathy rules. Is God impassible?

by clayboy on July 30, 2009 · 13 comments

in Theology

(This post is one of a sporadic series on the Church of England’s Thirty-nine Articles)

Anecdotal evidence and conversation suggest to me that rather a lot of people might have problems with the first of the Church of England’s 39 Articles. Many of them would be among those self-describing as conservative or biblical – and probably think of themselves as those upholding the Articles and “traditional Anglicanism”.

There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

Most of this would seem familiar from creedal affirmations; the problem comes, I think, with the phrase “without body, parts, or passions” and particularly the last of those non-attributes. The impassibility of God – that God is not subject to feeling, emotion, pain or suffering – presents a problem for many contemporary Christians.

A few days ago John Anderson asked what sort of God people believed in – from an OT perspective. He included these among his answers:

God is . . . . intimately and deeply affected by creation to the point that God at points changes His mind, repents, withdraws, mourns, etc.
God is . . . . one who suffers because of, with, and for creation.
God is . . . . a paradox. Vulnerable yet powerful. Tricky yet faithful. Present yet absent

You don’t have to read very far in the Old Testament to find the basis for such a picture of God. And it is with such a picture in mind, reinforced by the NT story of he whom Moltmann called The Crucified God, that many (most?) contemporary Christians think of God. The idea that the Church Fathers and magisterial Reformers alike though of God as impassible (the Westminster Confession adds “immutable” and the two adjectives rather belong together) seems strange, if not shocking.

The first thing worth noting, whatever we think of this attribution of non-feeling to God, is that reading the Bible is hardly a straightforward matter. The fathers knew all the texts attributing one or other emotion to God, to say nothing of the concept of God’s repentance and change of mind. They simply read them figuratively and allegorically. Nor can we simply set this up (as some have done) as a Greek corruption of a Hebrew concept, or a philosophical betrayal of the primitive faith. After all, the most “Greek philosophical” statement about God in the NT comes in the most “Jewish practical” book”

[God is] the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. (James 1:17)

In this light we need to note that whatever else the articles will say elsewhere about the privileging of scripture over tradition, they begin in a different place, with the tradition and not against it, using it to read scripture (as they would see it) responsibly. There will be those who say that on this point the Reformers and the articles still needed to be reformed, and offer a scriptural critique – perhaps even a rebuttal – of the traditional affirmation of impassibility. Starting on this point suggests that the articles are more in dispute and open to question even among conservatives and “biblical traditionalists” than is often claimed to be the case.

But let me essay a few points in defence of the first article’s most contestable claim, and ponder whether there is more to be said for the tradition of impassibility than some seem to think.

  • We do not read many of Scriptures anthropomorphisms literally. Moses didn’t get to watch God’s bum sashaying away from him as he passed. (Ex 33:23) Philosophical, linguistic and theological viewpoints guide our reading generally.
  • I think that whatever is involved in speaking of God, all God-talk is of necessity metaphorical or analogical. This is true of language of God’s anger, and it is true also, I think, of language of impassibility. (I find myself wondering whether negative statements are less metaphorical than positive statements.) I think that part of what that means is that impassibility reminds us that all talk of anger is metaphor, and that the vast tracts of the OT (in particular) that talk of anger remind us that impassibility is also analogical.
  • Impassibility is about the “God-ness” of God, which traditional doctrine this article so strongly affirms: his perfection in eternity, and his being “not such a one as us” – not contingent, not in need of growth, not externally influenced. A failure to truly appreciate God’s transcendence lies behind a great many of the atheist objections to God’s being, which they confuse with the existence of all other things, visible and invisible. But it also lies behind many of the trite expressions of Christian faith and worship which all too often reduce the Almighty to the All-matey.
  • It seems to me that among other things, it is precisely the transcendent distance of God that makes his immanence and incarnation truly good news, the unswerving and implacable nature of his loving purposes, his not being swayed from accomplishing his will, these are the things that the first article safeguards. It is precisely because God cannot suffer in eternity, that his free decision to suffer in Christ is so powerful an expression of his redemptive love and power. (And I know that’s where it gets really complex to find words at all)

I’m not a systematic theologian – so much of that might be completely wrong-headed. But it seems to me there’s more to be said here than just a simple dismissal of the idea. Given that (as I think) the mainly middle- and neo-platonic cradle within which the church’s theology grew from infancy has a complex relationship with the scriptural tradition, and both are some distance away from contemporary patterns of thinking, how do we work out problems we might see which our forebears did not? I doubt a simple “either-or” will provide the answer.

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Nick Norelli July 30, 2009 at 21:50

You make some good points. I’m one of the few (or so it seems) that comes down on the side of impassibility. You said, “I find myself wondering whether negative statements are less metaphorical than positive statements.” I think that the Fathers thought so which is why apophatic theology was so prevalent. It’s much easier to say what God is not than to delve into the depths of what God is.

I carried on a conversation with Bryan L. on this topic last year in the comments to this post and said a few things that I think you’d agree with. I think the only quibble I’d have with anything you’ve said here (and it’s a very minor one) is that prefer the language of ‘analogical’ to ‘metaphorical’ when talking about anthropomorphism or anthropopathism. I don’t think either is properly metaphorical, but again, it’s a small point.

I hope you’ll post some more reflections on this issue. I’d be interested in seeing your more sustained thoughts.

clayboy July 30, 2009 at 22:49

Thanks, Nick. I don’t know how much more I have to say on the topic really. I can’t make up my mind whether analogical is better than metaphorical as a description.

David Ker July 31, 2009 at 06:24

“impassibility is also analogical.” I couldn’t decipther this but I’m chewing on it.

Bullet point three is where this topic becomes most relevant: in apologetics and worship.

John Anderson July 31, 2009 at 16:35

Doug:

Thanks for the post. Here’s my response:

Is God impassible? No. (But I suspect you already knew I’d say that). And, this need not call into question God’s power, creative impulse, etc. It just means chaos happens, and that God is deeply and intimately affected by creation.

clayboy July 31, 2009 at 18:18

John. Maybe you could post on this a bit more, and we could see how we go. BTW I’m not sure why chaos is relevant to your argument. I believe shit happens too.

John Anderson July 31, 2009 at 20:51

Doug:

Poignaintly put.

Chaos is entirely relevant. As you say, chaos happens, and that then may result in questions about the character, nature, etc. of God.

To expand, briefly, on what I’ve said here: I think it is possible for God to have pathos yet still be God. Still have power. Still have and exhibit the creative impulse. Still struggle with humanity. Win sometimes . . . . lose others. At bottom, I’m able to hold these extremes together because the Hebrew Bible holds them together, tensions and all. And, as I’ve said on my own blog, God is thus a paradox.

(sorry for the lack of solid substance—it’s a Friday).

Ryan Mullins July 31, 2009 at 18:28

I would suggest being careful with the claim that all language about God is metaphorical and analogical. Not everyone in Church history thought that, nor do some contemporary philosophical theologians (e.g. Anselm and Richard Swinburne). Also, Pseudo-Dionysius and Aquinas both have much more sophisticated accounts of language about God where not everything predicated of God is metaphorical and analogical. From what I understand Pseudo-Dionysius’ account of language about the divine is heavily dependent upon several positive literal claims about God such as divine infinity and divine simplicity. (see Timothy Knepper, “Three Misuses of Dionysius for Comparative Theology,” Religious Studies 45, 2009, 209. Also available at philpapers.org)

clayboy July 31, 2009 at 18:46

If my memory serves me, didn’t Aquinas think that some language e,g, “father” was technically used at the ontological level literally of God and analogically of people, but that we discovered that truth through using the word metaphorically at a linguistic level.

Joseph Kelly August 2, 2009 at 03:50

You will probably receive a pingback, but I wanted to let you know that I interacted with some of your thoughts in this post on my own blog. I appreciated some of what you said, although I, like John, think that impassibility is something to be rejected when we are speaking about God. I hope that my tone was charitable.

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